an inconsistent rambling, part 2

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Post 1 by GreenTurtle (Music is life. Love. Vitality.) on Saturday, 02-Oct-2004 21:03:40

This is a continuation of what I started before.
So, although counseling itself has many drawbacks, I feel sorry for the people who go to college to fulfill their nonexistent lives with other peoples wants and needs. That's a bunch of shit. You can't just put other people's lives in your hands. You will just end up hurting these people who are already in such a deep state of suffering that nothing matters to them, let alone some insincere job who's just soaking up the cash profit they're making for messing people's lives up.
Just because they took some classes on the chemistry of someone's brain and how it's suppos'ed to work, it doesn't mean you know everything these people have had to go through.
I see the field of psychology as a waste of time, and I think the whole idea should be shot down before any more innocent (or maybe not so innocent) lives are ruined.
End of debate.

Post 2 by Goblin (I have proven to myself and the world that I need mental help) on Monday, 04-Oct-2004 12:33:19

not all counsellours are destructive and money grabbing
this will contradict my previous post but I'd say its unfair to generalise and lump them all in together after all isnt that how psychiatry treats those who need help

they are put in boxes and told you have this, you will feel and do such and such, the treatment is so on.

Having studied pyschology for a year i still have no idea why pyschiatrists ect,cant see each patient as an individual surely thats vital to their successful treatment and if possible an eventual recovery

Post 3 by wildebrew (We promised the world we'd tame it, what were we hoping for?) on Monday, 04-Oct-2004 12:49:57

I think this post is a huge generalization and very much out of touch with what's going on. Yes, I've seen bad councsellors (or head of them) and, like in any profession, there are good and bad ones. But one of the biggest problems with psychology is that we haven't advanced enough yet. It's still a young and rather primitive subject, it's the study of the human mind, how it works, why we do what we do, would you really want to shu that down? It, to my mind, is one of the most interesting subjects in existance. Of course you can't confuse the academic questions and research with personal counselling .. I think those are really two different fields, even if you need (probably) to study one to become eligible for the other. But, the point is, lots of people have no one to talk to whatsoever, I don't know why a person offering to listen needs these qualifications and often they don't make them good listeners (which is the most important thing) but I think people should be out there who are able to listen to you and of course they should get compensaged (although perhaps not as much as they are now, or at least base it on some type of review from clients and/or other measure of how good they are). But, bottomline, I think shutting down a field of study because we haven't made progress is very stupid, we should do the opposite, if anything, and put more money into research and study and do whatever we can to relieve mental pains around the world by any means necessary.
cheers
-B

Post 4 by Goblin (I have proven to myself and the world that I need mental help) on Tuesday, 05-Oct-2004 11:41:13

Wildebrew
i agree its a 1 sided view at a very contenious issue in Scotland we have the highest suicide rate in young men because they feel they have no one to talk to.
counselling and psychiatry is seen as weak and pointless,this pathetic attitude has lead to a catastrophic rise in the number of young men being detained in hospital.

this trend is firmly established now, and shows NO sign of changing in the near future.

Post 5 by GreenTurtle (Music is life. Love. Vitality.) on Saturday, 16-Oct-2004 18:57:16

Well i wonder why? You touched on my point exactly, that these counselors are not good listeners. Like I said, they are trained to study peoples brains and yes, their emotions, but i have had very bad experiences with counselors which I won't go into here (and probably never will to anyone.) Point is, although i see your points, i for one dont trust anyone. Unless the person is just like me and has a sucky life. The sad thing is, too, your right about people having no one to talk to. If counselors cant be trusted, and people have been shunned from society, then who do they have left? i respect everyones opinions but i will never change mine.

Post 6 by Goblin (I have proven to myself and the world that I need mental help) on Sunday, 17-Oct-2004 8:40:33

if you never change your opinion how do you hope to evolve and move on from whats happened ,you will end up a bitter twisted old fecker who hates everyone and everything but mostly and undoubtedly yourself!.

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I have been thru hell and back several times and each time I've managed somehow to recover,but some people are comfortable with their pain it gives some justification for their hatred and refusal to move on.

Post 7 by GreenTurtle (Music is life. Love. Vitality.) on Sunday, 17-Oct-2004 12:07:25

Maybe i will! But every person I've ever trusted has hurt me, so why would i want to put myself through unnecessary hell when i know that people are just gonna hurt me again anyways? i would never kill myself...i know I dont have the courage to do it. So if i have to stay in this world, then I will do my best to have revenge on all these people who think they know me well they dont know shit!

Post 8 by wildebrew (We promised the world we'd tame it, what were we hoping for?) on Monday, 18-Oct-2004 9:16:38

Wow, look, "it is useless to meet revenge with revenge, it will heal nothing" (the best quote from Lord of the Rings).
I'm sure you've been through some horrific things, although of course I don't know any of them, but if you're so obsessed with the need to be hateful and angry and vindictive, how can you ever expect to be happy, what's wrong with letting go and forgiving. Would hurting someone who hurt you really make you feel any better, what purpose would it really achieve, it wouldn't make you a better person, I don't really think you'd get as much out of it as you thought. I've found that being mean to someone who was mean to me just made me feel worse and destroyed possible friendships. It's your life, your decissions, but why not give forgiveness a chance. Of course it's easy to hsay, hard to do, but your future happiness is at stake, do your best to persue it.
cheers
-B

Post 9 by Goblin (I have proven to myself and the world that I need mental help) on Tuesday, 19-Oct-2004 10:40:26

Niblet you wont need to worry about confronting people because your hate and fear will inevitably send them running,ive been hurt more times than i care to mention and by christ! Im still wary particularly here.
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But if you never find the strength to forgive,the hatred will destroy any hope you have left of making something of your life,the greatest middle finger saltue you can give is to live well try and succeed because those who hurt you truly hate themselves
so you have a choice either you join these cretins,rise or you climb that mountain you rise above the invertebrates and soar!.